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1. What have you found most challenging as a church leader?

Pre-Covid it was feeling free to care for myself so I can care for my flock. Post-Covid, my biggest challenge is finding the right way to re-gather the church as well as harness the incredible possibilities of online ministry.


2. How did you become a church leader? Can you please briefly tell the story?

God called me to ministry at age 20 and broadened my call to the first chair at 23. I spent 15 years preparing, serving and learning in order to be as prepared as possible to move to the first chair.


3. How do you structure your work days from waking up to going to sleep?

My wife has a big job as the budget director of a school district. Given that she works full time and has to be there at 7:30am, I handle the responsibilities to get my kids off to school. I then workout on my Peloton treadmill and spend time in spiritual disciplines. I get to the office around 9 am and navigate my priorities. My biggest discipline that has helped me manage time the best is the Full Focus Planner that I use. Through it, I plan my week well and prioritize my schedule.


4. What's one book apart from the Bible that has had a profound impact on your leadership so far? Can you please briefly tell the story of how that book impacted your leadership?

Maxwell’s 21 Most Powerful Minutes in a Leaders Day. It’s transformational, as it helps me see the biblical roots of his leadership laws.


5. What's the most recent significant leadership lesson you've learned?

There is always a price to pay. Don’t think you have been there long enough to no longer pay a price. And, no one can take care of your health for you!


6. How do you develop a healthy leadership pipeline in a church?

1. Become a strong leader — grow, study, grow & study.
2. Be confident in who God has called and formed you to be.
3. Invite strong leaders to sit at your table…as volunteers, staff, advisors, and listen to them.


7. What is one meaningful story that comes to mind from your time as a church leader so far?

Pain has a purpose. Through a fellow staff member's moral failure, and leading the church through that storm, I learned the value of self-care…that I could no longer put off caring for myself…but had to prioritize self-care for self-sacrifice.